tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7669776494971280696.post9147864512238158999..comments2023-07-29T11:25:16.066-07:00Comments on Irish Monarchist: The Irish InquisitionServant of the Chiefhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17018786429076784275noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7669776494971280696.post-24361983181869096562010-10-11T20:12:29.518-07:002010-10-11T20:12:29.518-07:00"The Catholic Church in Ireland seems incapab..."The Catholic Church in Ireland seems incapable of producing great theologians, profound writers on the Catholic faith, or even orators of inspired power. Instead, they turn out nuns like the one quoted.".. Thank your Vatican 2 mass of Montini for that. It's not just in Ireland. Where are the saints of Vat2? Answer: There are none, and won't be. This holy mess is coming down and will be replaced by a future Vatican council which will take us BACK to the Mass of all ages. Deo GratiasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7669776494971280696.post-86379477552272788322010-08-07T03:30:57.746-07:002010-08-07T03:30:57.746-07:00Zarove, you're more on point than perhaps even...Zarove, you're more on point than perhaps even you realise. Here in Ireland there are, in truth, few public institutions or organisations (outside of certain elements within all the Churches) that defend the merit of hierarchy and tradition.<br /><br />It's not that there isn't an Irish conservative tendency at all: just consider the deep loyalty and affection for place and local belonging. Or the heroic efforts to restore Irish as our language despite official disapproval or, in the case of the north, violent hostility. And then there’s the Gaelic Athletic Association. But it's as if, in order to overthrow the counterfeit 'tradition' of the English crown in our own land, we Irish felt a need to overthrow the entire concept of Tradition. It's like, in order to revolt to restore our proper Tradition, we needed to strike a deal with the Devil, and internalise the preconceptions, presumptions and beliefs of internationalist, leftist revolutionaries.<br /><br />The most obvious reflection of this is in the Republic's political system. Granted, partisan politics is itself a stark indicator of decline. But the parties embody and aggravate inner tensions within the national being. So it's interesting how, despite proportional representation, you will fail to encounter a truly Irish conservative party with a coherently formulated set of principles that reflect the profound depths of tradition Ireland is gifted with. Countless left-wing, socialist, or communist groups. No organised traditional conservatives.<br /><br />Fine Gael, often claimed as right-wing, is but a home rulers relic that never found a purpose after the 1920s. Its identity is both 'we're-not-Fianna-Fáil' and ‘get Ireland back in line as a 'home nation' of the United Kingdom’. It gets votes from those who, whether consciously or unconsciously, remain slaves to their former rulers in London, who are embarrassed by the Irish renaissance, that 'atavistic' interruption. They’d rather restore a ‘backward-sliding’ Irish society to the path of 'progressiveness', 'cosmopolitanism' and 'modernity'.<br /><br />As for the Christian Solidarity Party, it is a shadow. There is nothing (in what appears an almost ultramontane approach) that appeals to someone (like myself) who values a uniquely Irish homeland and people, a strongly assertive State, and an organic culture drawn from and founded within the terms of Irish Gaelic tradition. <br /><br />And so those who would tend to what I would argue is a genuinely Irish conservative view, almost necessarily turn to a Fianna Fáil which, despite its progressivist social policies and republican principles, has aggressively asserted the need to restore the Irish language, end partition, and maintain and defend (by force if necessary) the interests and independence of Ireland.<br /><br />Now I know all this might seem off the point regarding the Catholic Church in Ireland, but however universal in essence, the Church is to some extent reliant on the quality of those it guides and serves. And to me at least it seems that the Church has suffered from the declining quality of the nation it draws its adherents from...a formerly Gaelic nation that has been hollowed out by emigration, dislocation, and assimilation into the English-speaking world. For the most part, Irish churchmen seem second-rate, lacking in rigour and intrepidity, devoid of the courage of conviction and, above all, a genuine rooted sense of fulfilling a spiritually profound religious vocation. The Catholic Church in Ireland seems incapable of producing great theologians, profound writers on the Catholic faith, or even orators of inspired power. Instead, they turn out nuns like the one quoted.<br /><br />But in this, don't they simply reflect today's Ireland? An Ireland lacking conviction, tradition, and loyalty not only to anything higher, but loyalty even to itself. <br /><br />Some days, this really is John Bull's other island.Mac an Ríhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17892787328087208121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7669776494971280696.post-13982344492926305462010-07-15T16:18:49.439-07:002010-07-15T16:18:49.439-07:00Amen.
But I think his is also a case of Rampent A...Amen.<br /><br />But I think his is also a case of Rampent Anti-Christendom, whiuch grips the West. A lot in Ireland have the same problem as elsewhere, a latend distrust of the Church and Heirarchy because the Culture has told them to fear and distrust it. Its just accepted.ZAROVEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668854596329493360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7669776494971280696.post-10745333311568548792010-07-06T13:24:49.418-07:002010-07-06T13:24:49.418-07:00A similar delegation visited the US some time back...A similar delegation visited the US some time back and I can say (taking for granted no action will ever please everyone) that it was very beneficial. New procedures were put down that will at least remove some of the room for making excuses that have been done and (more importantly to my mind) they also put in more vigorous screening methods for the seminaries to weed out degenerates (usually attacked in the meida as aimed at homosexuals -well, sorry, most of the offenders were). I can understand why some would look with discomfort on such a visit. Many in the hierarchy have grossly failed in their duty to protect their flock and fear the hammer coming down on them. That has long been a complaint I have often heard -offending priests are punished but not the bishops. At a time when the Church is going through very hard times and facing ever stronger resistence that is certainly the time to clean house and ensure that the highest standards are maintained.MadMonarchisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083008336883267870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7669776494971280696.post-38178976960987108552010-07-04T06:42:37.193-07:002010-07-04T06:42:37.193-07:00I agree Mr.Wells, it is indeed a sad case when our...I agree Mr.Wells, it is indeed a sad case when our clergy are so distrustful of the Hierarchy when it initiates an investigation when one is so dearly needed. And an investigation of this magnitude is never something to be sniffed at, and given the nature of our current Pope, I doubt that this report won't have consequences for Clergy and religious of Ireland. In that respect I shouldn't be surprised that some of them are afraid of it, especially the ones that know they've done wrong.Servant of the Chiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17018786429076784275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7669776494971280696.post-26469216857698931022010-07-03T19:32:48.537-07:002010-07-03T19:32:48.537-07:00It appears to be a case of damned if you do, damne...It appears to be a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.<br /><br />But the Church is doing the right thing by bringing in the Apostolic Visitation (for readers in the Commonwealth Realms, I'd say that's about the equivalent to an ecclesiastical Royal Commission).<br /><br />And considering that this is the Catholic Church, with perhaps the world's most extensive archives, I don't think it will be "one odd sentence". Try a book, if similar reports are anything to go by.<br /><br />It's sad when even the clergy have no faith in the Church. The Church is, after all, only as good as those who run it.Professor Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00659779116600213901noreply@blogger.com